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Post by davep on Aug 27, 2010 2:04:34 GMT -5
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Post by kanowarrior on Aug 27, 2010 2:05:21 GMT -5
You know it's funny but no matter how many times I look at photos of them I never stop looking for my dad. I know the chance is astronomical I will actually ever see him in these photos but then again if I didn't do that I would have never found him in that documentary film footage!
Like you said... never give up!
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Post by davep on Aug 27, 2010 2:06:11 GMT -5
Tim This picture is the one I was pretending had your dad in it. Of course you can see the huge version on the site.  I still searching for the one on the cover of the book called "Go for Broke" which we have in the book section of our website. I have it in the companion book for "The War", so if I have to I can scan me a copy. |
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Post by kanowarrior on Aug 27, 2010 2:06:57 GMT -5
I probably have a copy of that book.
I tried to see if he was in that photo too, but I'm pretty sure he isn't. The footage he is in is just like that with their names writing on their helmets on front. It's how I first identified him. Later I found other solid clues it was him and did some research that helped confirm it.
That film footage was the only time I saw names on the helmets like that so I though there was a possibility he might have been in that photo.
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Post by davep on Aug 27, 2010 2:08:25 GMT -5
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Post by kuni123456 on Sept 26, 2010 1:32:27 GMT -5
I just joined your organization and would like to display some of the photographs taken by the soldiers that my Father commanded during WWII. He was the 1st Sergeant Fox Company 442nd RCT from March, 1943 through April, 1945. His men took hundreds of photographs during the war and I can post some of them when I update my new computer. These photographs were taken at Camp Shelby, Italy and in France of Fox Company soldiers and even some of German prisoners of war. I currently help veterans of the 100th/442nd Veterans Association.
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Post by davep on Sept 26, 2010 9:40:32 GMT -5
Hi John, and welcome to our fourms. The best way to display/share photographs, is to either post the weblink to the photo or post the photo here. If you chose to post the photo here, there are size restrictions. The best way to share photos is to open up a www.photobucket.com account (free) which makes it such that your photos will show on our forums. We would also like to know if you are interested in coming out to either one of the "tactical battle events" or one of the local events. Or if you are simply interested in the history and sharing things online. If your interested in doing some reenacting with us, post/start an introduction in our Army Recruiting Section. Either way we will enjoy what you have to share. Also our Unit Leader is Tim Kano, who's Father was in the 442nd as well. |
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Post by victorc on Sept 27, 2010 22:49:17 GMT -5
Here's a question, probably been done but going to ask anyway. Did anyone ask those 442 Veterans that come to the Nisei parade if they have any old photos of the their Unit?
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Post by tomd on Oct 24, 2010 15:34:25 GMT -5
Hello, Tom here, I am not a re-enactor, just an interested visitor who sticks his head in every now and then. My Dad was in the 34th/133rd Co. L during the war, so when I happened across your site a couple of years ago I was fairly amazed. I have corresponded with your company clerk off and on have and sent a few things in for you guys to look at.
My question is when did the troops started lettering their names on the helmet fronts? Is this just a stateside deal? I always wondered why Dad had his name on the front of his helmet liner. I figure you guys might know. Thanks for any info.
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Post by kanowarrior on Oct 25, 2010 10:38:33 GMT -5
My question is when did the troops started lettering their names on the helmet fronts? Is this just a stateside deal? I always wondered why Dad had his name on the front of his helmet liner. I figure you guys might know. Thanks for any info. That was only done stateside. I assume it was for basic training but don't know that for sure. That helped me find my dad in a documentary film done on the 442nd. |
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Post by victorc on Oct 27, 2010 2:03:01 GMT -5
At the outbreak of the involvement of America into WWII, enlistment in all armed forces was at alarming rate. Trainees were processed as quickly as possible to get them combat ready. There were many reasons why they printed their names in "Boot Camp". But mostly for the Drill Instructors and training NCOs (Sgts) to identify & evaluate individuals quickly that have leadership potential to lead men into combat. These men were mostly people that have either pre-military training or have higher education schooling at some point. Consequently it also aided them in determining the opposites.  In today's military enlistment, anyone who has completed training in Eagle Scout, JROTC, Law enforcement, Civil Air Patrol, or College education are usually picked as "Acting Platoon Sergeants and Squad leaders" with rank armbands during boot camp. They are then accelerated for promotion to E-4 (Specialist/Corporal) at the completion of boot camp. Photo of liner with name & leadership rank printed on the front. www.quanonline.com/military/military_reference/helmets/marble.html |
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Post by tomd on Oct 31, 2010 15:43:16 GMT -5
Hello and thanks for the info. After Dad came back stateside from Oflag 64 he was assigned to Camp Jos. Robinson. The build-up for the Pacific Theater was under way so the need to tell who was who was probably needed. Here is a pdf of his helmet liner, please ignore the yellow tint, this camera makes me cuss sometimes. Attachments:
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Post by victorc on Nov 1, 2010 11:41:53 GMT -5
My apologies Tom, your previous thread about your father did not mention he was a Commissioned Officer. We honor and greatly appreciate all the men & women who served in the armed forces of our US military. Belated condolences to you and your family about your father's passing in 2004. Based from your current post, your father Arthur V. Detmers, 2LT was a POW in occupied Szubin, Poland. He was captured Nov. 5, 1944 in, Italy and sent to Oflag 64 or Offizierslager, meaning "officers camp". till January 1945 after the liberation by the Russian Army. Camp Jos. T Robinson in Arkansas was also US Army training facility as well as a German internment camp during the war. Oflag 64 POW photos: www.talkingproud.us/Retired/page118/files/oflag-64-group-photos.pdfSoldiers names did not appear on their uniform till later on after the war. So by identity purposes, it was essential to print their names on the helmet. Both the enlisted and the officers under Company level mostly trained together while in preparation for combat duty. Therefore their names would have also been printed on their liner while in-training with the men they command. They were also evaluated on performance in leadership skills and as well as their role as Army Officers. The US Army believed that training with the men you command is the best way to get to know each other to have good sound Unit cohesion. An essential element to have for a successful mission task as band of brothers. A similar WWII guest speaker whom I met in 2005 at a Veterans Convention in Michigan. He talked about his account of the war and his time as POW in Stalag # 3. Red Tail Pilot Tuskegee Airman Colonel Alexander Jefferson US Army Air Corps Retired . 1 hour, 20 mins video clip. The photo clips he was showing on the video are all his book that he wrote. You can buy his book "Red Tail Captured, Red Tail Free" through Amazon. Com www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Gz-OBUB9FYsources: Oflag 64 Association, US Army Center of Military History |
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Post by kanowarrior on Nov 1, 2010 12:37:23 GMT -5
Victor, how did you find that information about his dad? Is there a website or link you can share?
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Post by victorc on Nov 1, 2010 14:00:52 GMT -5
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Post by tomd on Nov 2, 2010 11:15:10 GMT -5
Hello VictorC,
no apologies needed. You dug up a ton of info in a short time!
Dad earned a Battlefield Commision in North Africa, and was promoted to First Lt. after getting repatriated.
Actually Dad was captured November 5th, 1943, during the 3rd crossing of the Vulturno, well, it was the Army's third crossing, I dont know for sure how many times Dad led patrols across that river, but "He (the colonel) kept on sending me out, I think he wanted to get me killed" were Dads words. No love lost there I think.
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Post by tomd on Nov 2, 2010 11:20:22 GMT -5
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Post by davep on Nov 2, 2010 19:06:21 GMT -5
Here is Tom's Dad's regimental grad picture. His Dad is in the same exact regiment and company has many of us are reenacting  His Dad was in the 34/133 Co. L to start. He is in the group shown above, second row from the top 3rd photo from the right.. Sometime after landing in Italy he transferred to the 168th after taking a battlefield commission, he originally refused the commission because he didn’t want to leave the 133rd, but finally took it.  |
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